On the Cafemom web site Michele Zipp asks if it's wrong to not allow her nanny to take a nap while the kids nap.
She writes, "Was I being an unrealistic ass for thinking it was wrong of her to nap? I mean, my kids were napping. I nap sometimes when they nap. But I'm the mom. I'm in tune with my kids. I wake when they cry out. Would she? And then I remembered that I pay her by the hour. GOOD money, might I add. I live in NYC and nannies get paid well and I know for a fact she's on the higher end of the going rate. So I am paying her to nap?!
The mother also says,"So now I'm looking for a new nanny. I just feel it's unsafe if she's half asleep and really tired when she's with my kids. What if she falls asleep when at the park and the kids are playing in the sandbox? What if she isn't alert enough when she's crossing a busy intersection?"
What would you do? Do you think it's okay for her to nap on the job?
I do nap at my job because it's a 60 hour week. I don't nap every day. I only nap when the baby naps and laundry and other chores are done. I have fallen asleep in the toddlers bed while reading them a book to fall asleep too. They have NEVER been neglected by me. We don't have lunch breaks like other type of jobs. It's not a big deal. Obviously I would never sleep at the playground like the mom in the article is worried about, that's ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteHow do you fall asleep crossing an intersection? That's really different then napping when the baby is napping.
ReplyDeleteI would tell the nanny first you don't want her to nap on the job. Since you think she's good with the kids, before replacing her let her know what you expect and give her a chance to change.
ReplyDeleteI think a cat nap on the job is much more appropriate with the thousands of "unprofessional" nannies that watch soap operas all day and complain about their employers to other nannies.
Communicate what's bothering you. If she naps after you ask her not too then look for a new caregiver.
I have napped when the little one I look after is sleeping, sometimes a little nap refreshes you! And I have found I sleep pretty lightly so i hear every noise they make! And her parents are fine with it :) I never feel tired at the playground with kids, just when I'm sitting doing nothing! (like when baby is sleeping)
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Me too Tracy. I take cat nap, I have never actually snored or have been dreaming like real sleeping. I used to work as a live-in and the parents even let me sleep in while they left for work. Sometimes the adjustment from being live-in to live-out change expectations. I agree with Steph6 also that the parent has to clearly explain to the nanny she'd prefer her not nap on the job. Just like any job you should warn them before firing them. I know I would stop if the mom asked me to. I don't think cat naps while kids nap for half an hour are neglecting the kids.
ReplyDeleteI am stealing a quote from the "Be the Best Nanny Newsletter" FB page: "Examples of neglect might be: talking on cell phone while crossing street with kids, texting instead of watching the kids on playground, chatting with friends instead of watching kids outdoors at pool or playground, or watching soap operas instead of age appropriate children's programs while kids are up."
I actually think napping when little ones are napping is a responsible use of time if all other responsibilities are taken care of. Studies have shown the rejuvenating properties of "power naps" in the afternoon - I would much rather have my nanny take a quick nap while the kids are asleep than be groggy all day (or be irresponsible or neglectful in any of the other ways mentioned above)! A refreshed nanny will be much more "on" for the kids when they are awake. I think you'd get better results (with happier kids) if the nanny could take a little nap, too. Taking care of small children all day is exhausting (from 15 years nanny experience and almost 3 years mommy experience - I know!). I would definitely make sure a nanny knew napping was not allowed before firing her for doing it. As for pay, I think it should be considered a perk of the job and like I said before, paying for that cat nap now may give back much higher dividends over time.
ReplyDeleteI just think it's hypocritical to say that you (the Mom) takes naps but the nanny can't. She absolutely shouldn't got o work expecting to nap or sleep there! Typically I'm running around way too much because there isn't enough time in the day to do all I have to do. But occasionaly I rest my head on the sofa and don't think I should be fired for it.
ReplyDeleteSherri:
ReplyDeleteI don't nap at my Nanny job. How nice it would be too, take a lil nap though, to recharge my batteries as the children are napping, to scared too, here in FL there have been (sitters/family members) that have napped and the child has woken up and went outside to either drown in a pool or lake near them. Scary...most of my families have top locks to avoid this situation and I am thrilled they do.
Debbie:
I don't nap in bed when kids are awake. I OCCASIONALLY lay on the sofa for a few minutes after chores are done waiting for baby to wake up w/ baby monitor in hand.
Sara:
I do not nap at work ! I find it highly unprofessional & a definite safety issue. I work 55 hours a week for now 18 month old twins. They take a mid-day 3 hour nap. I eat lunch, do laundry & other misc chores.
Nanny:
Nope.Never even considered it. Besides no time. Too busy.
Sarah:
When I know all three (2 1/2 & 3 month old twins) asleep I will take five/ten minute naps. When at work I hv sensitive ears so the littlest noise wakes me. I need to recharge. The parents are cool with it. I m not laying in a bed with no monitor I am on sofa with monitor and babies right nxt to me. In some countries they shut down to nap.
Kristi:
Nope, napping is definately not allowed. I'm having trouble even convincing my boss to let me sit and eat lunch while the kids are napping. She seems to think I should be on my feet, and busy doing extra work (that is NOT part of my job) li...ke the dinner dishes from the night before, the parents laundry, etc. I don't know about sleeping on the job, so I'm fine without a nap, but a little down time would certainly be nice (most people do get an hour lunch break...). 55 hours a week with a 4 yr old, 3 yr old, and 2 yr old special needs child is EXHAUSTING!!
Debbie:
Examples of neglect might be: talking on cell phone while crossing the street with kids, texting instead of watching the kids on playground, chatting with friends instead of watching kids outdoors at pool or playground, or watching soap ope...ras instead of age appropriate children's programs or playing with the kids. cat nap (not fully asleep) while kids are napping is completely different. But of course if the parents said they have a problem with 10 - 30 min cat naps I wouldn't do it.
Linda:
I will NOT take a job if i am SPECIFICALLY told that I cannot have a nap, if I need one, or at least have some down time while the kids are sleeping! My DB works from home and if he comes down and the movements wake me, he says sorry!! They... know how hard it is to chase after kids for 10 hours. Live out nannies have an even longer day because some commutes are long and stressful! Control freaks like this Mom clearly wants to dictate things that should be left to discretion which we ALL have as nannies. I rarely sleep for more than 15 minutes, and always do so near the monitor.
Sarah:
ReplyDeleteAt my job I have a room with a bed, ( however, I am not a live-in) and was told I could nap. I never do though, because I'm always afraid I won't hear the baby when he wakes up, even though I have a monitor in hand.
Kari:
Anyone who thinks it is ok to nap while working is CRAZY! And we want to be treated as professionals?? Try getting work in another field and tell your boss you need to Nap daily! many jobs you don't get downtime.. Its a part of life.. Part of working...
Kat:
It's NOT crazy. If you are too tired to function, then you are not really coherant enough to take care of your kids, and sometimes you just need it. Sometimes I do nap, If I haven't slept well the night before. My parents don't care if I do, I never sleep longer than 30 minutes and the kids nap 2 1/2 hours. I'm a very light sleeper. Everyone in almost every job gets to leave work for a lunch break- What you decide to do on your lunch break is up to you. If you want to nap, then so be it. If the kids are sleeping, there's no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to take our "lunch break" and rest our eyes for a few minutes.
Taylor:
I only nap if I'm sick and the kids are at school. My employers weigh the trouble of me taking a sick day versus me taking a nap while the kids aren't even home and decide it's worth it.
Deborah:
Almost everyday I take a nap while my charge naps. It's wonderful! One of the perks of being a nanny :)
Michelle:
I nap when or if I need to while my charges are taking their nap. None of my bosses have ever had a problem with it, in fact most of them have encouraged me to do whatever I want during nap time. As long as the things we've agreed upon in our contract are getting done and the children are happy and healthy and progressing the parents leave the hows and whats of the day to my discretion.
Kathie:
I think there is a different perspective if you are a live in or a live out nanny. I live out and would never consider napping on the job; if you live in it is your home also and I think the expectations are a bit different. I care for twin...s and do have downtime at their nap time. My employers don't mind if I am on my computer or reading a book but would have a problem with me napping. I do agree that if we want to be treated as professionals we need to behave as such, and napping at work is not professional.
I used to fall asleep reading a little girl books before her nap with her. I never stayed the entire nap with her. The mom was a stay at home mother and she thought it was cute. Stay at home mothers sometimes understand more the need for a cat nap since it's exhausting!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone ask what you do for your hour lunch break each day? Getting a power nap sounds much more productive than tv or chatting on the phone.
ReplyDeleteI never thought of power naps as a problem until reading this mother's perspective. I see her point. But, I don't think a quick power nap is worth getting fired over especially if we are getting our jobs done and the children are not being neglected. Obviously if my boss asked me not to do it I wouldn't do it.
ReplyDeleteIf you can't do a job without napping.. Get a new job. For you Nannies whining that it is 60 hours a week, etc.. find a job you can handle. Yes it is Exhausting running after kids.. School teachers do it all the time.. Is it ok For a school teacher to nap during quiet time? If you can't handle the job, find one you can! The mom can nap, its not hypocritical.. they are HER.. I REPEAT HER children..... Nannies need to stop whining.. if you want to be treated like a professional then damn well act like one too!
ReplyDeleteTeachers do NOT work 60 hour weeks. Not even close! And they do get periods off in which they do paperwork and/or they can certainly lie down if they chose. I feel the mother who wrote the article need to tell the nanny not to nap and if she doesn't follow her employer's instructions she needs to be replaced.
ReplyDeleteMy goodness the nanny is only human! The mother admits that she naps herself! Why hasn't the mother had a discussion with this nanny first before looking to replace her? The reason seems she just wants permission to get rid of her and using this as an excuse. No one falls asleep crossing the street or at the playground for goodness sake. Power naps, cat naps, whatever you call them are healthy and normal especially at this very physically and emotionally demanding job!
ReplyDeleteI want to know is how did you know that she fell asleep? as a nanny im not a big fan of nanny cams if you dont trust the person you leave with your kids then you should find someone you do trust wow and come on any women for the most part i know me we would wake up to a kid crying and for the most part we are with the kids more then the moms so i think we are more in tune with the kids just saying
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ReplyDeleteIn the article the mom works from home in a small apt. Read the article it's linked on this blog.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/121532/my_childs_nanny_is_not
I am really glad to see nannies who have a professional outlook on the job. I know of no other professional that is allowed to sleep on the job. nannies want to be treated as professionals and respected as professionals.. then we need to show that we are professionals. I know nannies that go out on the town the nght before and nap.. That is not professionalism.
ReplyDeleteTeachers don't work 60 hours a week?? have you ever walked in teacher's shoes?? Most of them have to take work home and grade papers at all hours of the night.. Seriously you don't think teachers have demanding jobs?? OMG!!
ReplyDeleteIf your boss asks you to do something you do it. If she asks you not to do it you do it. Period.
ReplyDeleteI meant to write if you boss tells you NOT to do something you DON'T do it. Oppsy
ReplyDeleteI never said that teachers didn't have demanding jobs. I have nothing against teachers. Teachers and nanny jobs are very different. The environment is 100% different. I agree with Eva that if your boss tells you she doesn't want you to take a power nap, then don't.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, it's much easier for a nanny employer to fire a nanny for any reason they choose, it's harder to fire a teacher for sure.
Parent here. I dont mind a nap if the children are asleep! Taking care of children is a tough job. But when they are awake absolutely not. I once caught a babysitter napping while my infant cried in her crib after waking from a nap. Not okay. She was a sitter, not a professional nanny we have now.
ReplyDeleteMe too I think everything in moderation. Since our nanny is so great and works so hard I think down time is fair. Nannies can talk on cell phone, write emails, even watch tv in moderation and while child is sleeping. So a power nap occastionally is fine. If she's not doing her job that would be another story.
ReplyDeleteThanks for all the comments! After reading everyone's comments I think it all comes down to effective communication. The mother in the article is the employer and simply needs to make her expectations clear to her employee. She has to explain what is, and is not, acceptable to her employee. Then, the nanny has to follow her directions if she wants to keep the job. I don't think a nanny could argue if a parent asked them not to nap during normal working hours.
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ReplyDeleteI don't nap on the job, don't think it's a good idea. I work 40hrs a week with 5 amazing kids, G6, twin B3.5, twin G1, it's full on and if I need down time I set up activities for chn then get a cup of tea or the like there isn't enough time to nap anyways, so those who do have time to nap are lucky and must not have a huge workload....I live out and as part of my job commitment I make sure I am well rested for the day ahead.
Karen:
I don't nap everyday, but if I feel one is needed I certainly will. I've never had a boss who felt like my 10 hour day should be constantly spent "working" because I'm being paid by the hour. As a nanny we do not get regular scheduled breaks or a lunch hour. Nap time is the only time we really have to ourselves all day. Of course, I always make sure that if for some reason the children wake up unexpectedly I will hear them through the monitor. I think this mom is looking for a reason to fire her nanny.
Let me understand this because obviously hours worked after 10 pm I'd assume we'd be allowed to sleep no matter what?!
ReplyDeleteOf course I nap, I'm human and nap with the kids OCCASIONALLY. Never when there's stuff to do.
ReplyDeleteNo way don't have the time to nap. Of course the mom can fire her for napping!
ReplyDeleteGive the nanny a break. You're not superwoman and neither is she.
ReplyDeleteI am completely shocked at some the response to this...I have never napped at work bc I personally think its unprofessional and I agree with the other post that you can't nap at any other job....but I see its a growing rend but I dont think I will be picking up the habit.
ReplyDeleteI would say that it definitely depends on the job and expectations. I currently work with 2 1/2 year old twin boys who take a good 1 1/2 to 2 hour nap and call out to be gotten up after nap. I always get my "chores" done first (house tidied, floor swept, kitchen clean, prepped for activities/tomorrow, etc), but I absolutely do take the occasional nap! I always make sure that I am where I will hear them (couch or bed near their room), and I never sleep for more than 30 min. 10 hour days caring for young children are exhausting and we are human! We do not get lunch breaks and are always on, even while napping I have a sharp ear out for those kiddos. I am glad that "my" family has no problem with this, and even encourages it, as it allows me to recharge and have the energy I need to give their children the proper, enthusiastic care that they deserve and thrive on. They are top of their preschool class and really doing fantastically, much because of the hard work that I put in 50+ hours a week.
ReplyDeleteYes, teachers have hard jobs and work long hours, but they do have more control of their down-time and are not running around after toddlers all day! I have personal experience, having done a lot of field experience in getting my elementary and early ed. degree.
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I think it depends on the nanny and the parent as well, if the parent is not OK with it then definitely dont go behind their back and disobey them. I also have never went out of my way to tell a parent I napped on the job. Before I lay down to take a nap I ALWAYS have all the housework and any chores that need to be done, done. And I'll usually sleep in the same room on the floor next to crib even if there is a baby monitor because that's the safest way to make sure you wake up when they do. It shouldn't really matter why you're napping on the job if you are, as long as the kids are taken care of and sleeping there should be no issue. Especially if you're running on no energy and need a little boost. I took a 30 min nap today while the 20 month old I'm babysitting slept and is still sleeping while I lay beside her crib and type this. I also had to be here at 6am with a 40 min commute so I was awake at 4:30am. I didn't go out last night or do anything I actually was in bed by 8:30 but couldn't fall asleep til well past 12 so a nap was necessary. People need to get over themselves, being unprofessional would be letting the tiredness affect your care of the children or being all hungover at work. If you're taking a nap because you're TIRED, there's nothing wrong with it
ReplyDeleteI got fired from a nanny job for taking a nap in a lounge chair RIGHT NEXT TO a baby's crib! She was a safely-sleeping 6 month old baby who was IN HER CRIB! I was on a lounge chair, so there's no way I could have smothered her! ALL chores were done, and I had fallen asleep while reading a book only 2 feet away from her! I'm a really light sleeper, so I was woken up to the mom's cell phone camera making a "click" sound! Yes, she actually took a photo of me sleeping! (Wow!) It startled me awake, and I awoke to see her eerily smile at me just as she took the pic, then she immediately went down the hall and dashed out the front door and got in her car and drove away in a hurry! It was SO creepy! At first I thought it was part of my dream! Then, it took a moment for me to realize it REALLY HAPPENED! So, I first looked into the crib to see that the sleeping baby was still sleeping, and even checked her breathing. Then, I went to the door to see if she really did just drive away, since I wanted to apologize to her even if she did just creep me out with taking my picture while asleep, then walking away, and even though she had never told me that I was not allowed to take a nap. But since she was gone, I immediately texted her, apologizing and reassuring her it would never happen again and that it was a first-time occurrence. She never even texted me back, and later said she would let me know what she would decide, then said nothing else about it. When it was time to leave for the day, I actually had to ask her if she wanted me to come back the next day! ...But the weirdest thing of all is that she allowed me to spend ten hours alone every day with her baby for the next 3 days, then fired me on Friday at 5:00! If she trusted me with 3 more full days of care with her baby, then why fire me at all?! She didn't even appreciate that I gave het baby the best of care while knowing she could just fire me at any moment, and that I was reliable and continued to show up for work for the rest of the week, and didn't, instead, cause them to miss work so they could take care of their baby! She even had her husband do the dirty deed of firing me while she wasn't even there! He even obviously lied to me right before he came home from work, asking me to take the infant car seat out of my car (along with the base, too!), saying they needed it for the weekend! (Duh!) And the day before, when she came home from work when he wasn't there yet, she had a friendly conversation with me and acted like nothing was wrong! ...Wierd, uncaring people! And...they knew I was a single mom with 3 young elementary-school age children and that the job was my only income! No severance pay, and no chance to 'improve' and keep the job. I do see her point of view about sleeping while being paid, or the baby's safety being an issue, but FIRING me over that, when just about every mom in the world with an infant was doing the exact same thing at that moment, too, and no babies were in danger or died from it! Apparently, she just didn't like me, or had hostilities that I didn't know about, and saw it as her chance to fire me while trying to save her conscience from doing it unfairly. But, I thought, except for trusting me to take good care of her baby for 3 more full days, she treated me as sub human in the heartless way she fired me!
ReplyDeleteThis is my first nanny job, so I’m still learning and am not here to criticize on how to do your job, but to sit there and shame other nannies is rude and just pathetic. You’re no better than those “perfect parents” who criticize everyone’s parenting skills and think they do no wrong. I don’t have much experience like most of you on here but I work 60+ hours a week and sometimes this job can be exhausting. So if I feel like I need a quick power nap while the children sleep, then that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I am a very light sleeper and have the baby monitor in hand and their room right next to me, what’s the problem? Just like most people in the world, I can get a bit cranky when I’m tired. I start to feel sluggish and fatigued, it can really have an effect on my day and the child. If taking a small nap will help give me energy and a good mindset for the rest of the day that’s both beneficial for me and the child, then I see nothing wrong. Every person is different, just like every child is different. Some are more exhausting than others and sorry to break it to ya but no ones child is perfect, even your own. As long as you and the parents have discussed this and they are alright with it, then do what you have to do. If the parents say they aren’t comfortable with it, then obviously don’t. That’s when you decide if this job is for you and if you can handle it. This is why you and the family should discuss and ask as many questions as possible in the interview and then decide if you’re a fit for the family. The parents of the child I nanny were very helpful and informative and even wrote down some specific instructions for me. They told me to feel comfortable and make myself at home. This women was wrong for just firing her nanny without bringing it to her attention, even though it should have been discussed in the interview to begin with. She should have brought it to her attention and let the nanny know she wasn’t comfortable with her falling asleep while the children slept. No one is perfect and mistakes will be made. If you’re expecting someone to be perfect and know exactly what to do without being told or taught, then you will be very disappointed. I understand some of you have a different way to do your job, and that’s perfectly fine, whatever works for you and the family, but don’t shame other nannies for how they do THEIR job that works for THEM AND THEIR FAMILY. Learn to be understanding and positive.
ReplyDeleteI will be starting a new job as a Nanny watching a 1 yr old and 3 yr old. 30 hrs a week. Monday is 10 hrs Thursday is 9 and a half. I have never worked a 10 he or 9 he day. I am 56 and know I will get sleepy. I had a job watching twins 3yrs old and sometimes their 6 yr old sister. The mom encouraged me to take a nap. She said you should sleep when they sleep. At first I was told her I have to be moving doing something she said ok but it's fine if you sleep. I did and it felt Awesome when I woke up!! I don't know if I will be able to do this at my new job.I will just have to wait and see. All I need is 20 mins and I'm good to go🤗
ReplyDeleteI will be starting a new job as a Nanny watching a 1 yr old and 3 yr old. 30 hrs a week. Monday is 10 hrs Thursday is 9 and a half. I have never worked a 10 he or 9 he day. I am 56 and know I will get sleepy. I had a job watching twins 3yrs old and sometimes their 6 yr old sister. The mom encouraged me to take a nap. She said you should sleep when they sleep. At first I was told her I have to be moving doing something she said ok but it's fine if you sleep. I did and it felt Awesome when I woke up!! I don't know if I will be able to do this at my new job.I will just have to wait and see. All I need is 20 mins and I'm good to go🤗
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